by Bernhard, editor of Moon of Alabama
Dateline: Jun 19, 2021
It is sad to see how much Col. Pat Lang's intelligence judgment has deteriorated.
Here he goes crazy over a story of an alleged Chinese high level defector who allegedly brought all kinds of materials with him:
This man, as Chinese counter-intelligence boss looked around the IC and decided that he was most likely to survive an internal leak if he defected to DIA. That means that in spite of the fact that DIA had an internal Chinese mole (recently arrested at DIA request by the FBI), the rest of the agencies are worse in the level in Chinese intelligence penetration not only of their analytic people but also of their operations staff. How do I know that? Material from the defector (Dong) would not normally be shared with analysts if it had his name in it. His identity would be held in operational channels.
Clearly, this man believes that; CIA. army intelligence, naval intelligence, USAF intelligence and all the rest are heavily penetrated. pl.
Lang
Lang took the defector story from Zerohedge.com which took it from Redstate.com where managing editor Jennifer Van Laar made it up by mixing her fantasies, a Freebacon report about Chinese students returning to the U.S. and a rumor about a defection reported by Spytalk:
Chinese-language anti-communist media and Twitter are abuzz this week with rumors that a vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei (董经纬) defected in mid-February, flying from Hong Kong to the United States with his daughter, Dong Yang.
Dong is, or was, a longtime official in China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS), also known as the Guoanbu. His publicly available background indicates that he was responsible for the Ministry’s counterintelligence efforts in China, i.e., spy-catching, since being promoted to vice minister in April 2018. If the stories are true, Dong would be the highest-level defector in the history of the People’s Republic of China.
The rumor is false.
How do I know?
I copied "vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei" into Google Translate with the output language set to Chinese (simplified). That results in this string: "国家安全部副部长董经纬". The big Chinese search engine is Baidu.com. After pasting the string into Baidu it delivered these results:
The first search result is from September 2020 but the second one is from yesterday. As is the third.
The second result goes to a Baidu news report. I copied the story from there and back into Google Translate - this time from Chinese to English. Here is the outcome:
Ministry of National Security: It is necessary to catch spies as well as "traitors" and "behind the scenes."
China Changan Net
Release time: 06-1815:29 China Changan NetOn the morning of June 18, 2021, Vice Minister Dong Jingwei of the Ministry of National Security presided over a symposium to study and implement the "Regulations on Anti-espionage Security Work" that came into effect on April 26 this year, and make arrangements for anti-rape and anti-espionage work.
The symposium pointed out that the Party Central Committee attaches great importance to national security work and has made a series of important decisions and arrangements for counter-espionage work. As the competent authority for counter-espionage work, the Ministry of National Security has formulated and promulgated regulations that are a realistic need to prevent, stop, and crack down on illegal and criminal activities that endanger national security in accordance with the law, which are conducive to further consolidating the responsibility of counter-espionage security prevention and better organizing and mobilizing all social forces. Fight the "People's War" against espionage. ...
The expression "anti-rape" seems to be a machine translation artifact and probably means "anti-infiltration".
The third Baidu result has the same report from a different news outlet though the video attached to it is not of Dong Jingwei. A Chinese government site also carries the same story.
So the guy who allegedly defected to the Defense Intelligence Agency apparently just talked about counterespionage at a symposium in presumably Beijing.
Another search produces a picture of Dong Jingwei. The line below it translates to:
On December 14, 2020, the China-Belarus Intergovernmental Cooperation Committee met in Beijing. Dong Jingwei (middle), the Vice Minister of the Ministry of National Security and the Chinese Chairman of the Security Cooperation Sub-Committee, also participated in the meeting. The Minister and the Chinese Chairman of the Cultural Cooperation Sub-Committee Zhang Xu sat together. (Image source: Internet)
Dong Jingwei and his public activities are regular news. Still some will claim that the Chinese report about the symposium is false and was only launched to divert from the defection which therefore must be real.
Well, consider all the stuff the defector, according to Redstate 'sources', allegedly brought with him:
In addition, Dong has provided DIA with the following information:
- Early pathogenic studies of the virus we now know as SARS-CoV-2
- Models of predicted COVID-19 spread and damage to the US and the world
- Financial records detailing which exact organizations and governments funded the research on SARS-CoV-2 and other biological warfare research
- Names of US citizens who provide intel to China
- Names of Chinese spies working in the US or attending US universities
- Financial records showing US businessmen and public officials who’ve received money from the Chinese government
- Details of meetings US government officials had (perhaps unwittingly) with Chinese spies and members of Russia’s SVR
- How the Chinese government gained access to a CIA communications system, leading to the death of dozens of Chinese people who were working with the CIA
Dong also has provided DIA with copies of the contents of the hard drive on Hunter Biden’s laptop, showing the information the Chinese government has about Hunter’s pornography problem and about his (and Joe’s) business dealings with Chinese entities.
That sounds as much like a wet dream for Republicans as the pee-tape Steele Dossier was a wet dream for Democrats.
How would a Chinese counter-espionage guy, whose job it is to catch U.S. spies in China, have access to all those claimed materials, especially to the names of Chinese spies in the U.S.? What would be his need to know those? Spying and counter spying are always compartmentalized from each other. They don't know each other's secrets.
How could Pat Lang fall for this nonsense?
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What we're witnessing is a slow-motion picture of the demise of an empire. No worries. Anything will do at this point, these boomers are desperate for any news at all to sink China. Posted by: Smith | Jun 19 2021 11:59 utc | 2 Rape in English as well as meaning sexual assault can also mean to kidnap, to abduct or to carry off. Thus the famous work of art "The Rape of the Sabine Women" by multiple artists showed the Sabine women being kidnapped rather than sexually assaulted. Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 19 2021 12:12 utc | 3 I just saw a video of Tucker Carlson, flagging some highly relevant, true info on the dangers of the so-called coid vaxxers''. But he did a Pat Lang at the end, running a clip of a Chinese woman screeching the Chinese military launched Covid to kill Americans; pure nonsense, Republican fear porn, exactly tailored to Sinophobic right-wing Americans (covid was first launched in the USA in early 2019, made by Fauci with US taxpayers' money. Chinese collusion was minimal, late, and paid by Fauci] Posted by: Ron Chandler | Jun 19 2021 12:13 utc | 4 The thing that immediately jumped out at me when I read the zerohedge story was the idea that a Chinese counter-intelligence official had access to the names of Chinese spies in the USA. Say Whaaaaaaaat? Does the Director of the FBI have access to the names of all CIA assets inside China? I.Think.Not. Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jun 19 2021 12:22 utc | 5 Next time use DeepL.com for your translations. Incomparably better than GoogleTranslate. Posted by: Jan Sammer | Jun 19 2021 12:34 utc | 6 I knew immediately something was amiss when I read the reports on different sites and it used the word "defector". That is old Cold War language that reeks of McCarthyism. Then in a report was this quote: "Again, according to sources, Dong told DIA debriefers that at least a third of Chinese students attending US universities are PLA assets or part of the Thousand Talents Plan and that many of the students are here under pseudonyms. One reason for using pseudonyms is that many of these students are the children of high-ranking military and party leaders." First, that seems unlikely to me. One third of Chinese students being spies sounds absurdly high, yet right inline with accusations thrown about on far-right conspiracy websites. Second, so many spies being children of high ranking CCP leaders also sounds unlikely. Why put their own children at risk overseas? I attended a world class engineering school with many Chinese students. They are a force to be reckoned with academically. They were all, as a rule, quiet introverts. They always studied together and made straight A's. They were there to learn and that is all they did. They never seemed to assimilate or ingratiate themselves with authorities or do anything other than study. They were fantastic students and would certainly make outstanding professors at home. Why waste all that time and effort becoming spies when they could legitimately serve China better as engineers and scientists? Maybe a few were CCP intelligence, but one third of them? Doubtful. In short, only consorting with each other, never being overly friendly and never asking questions, I think they would have made terrible spies. Posted by: Mar man | Jun 19 2021 13:20 utc | 7 Pat Lang is a rabid right wing loon lately taken to spreading UFO fairy tales. He's pathetic. Posted by: Knee and Earth all | Jun 19 2021 13:25 utc | 8 I do not think he has "deteriorated" or has "gone crazy". Remember how he manipulated Max Blumenthal against Libya? (He provided info to the journalist which was sent to Hillary Clinton). And I think the colonel has been against China for a while now (even before covid). China is a direct economic threat to the USA because China has the same industries as the USA and competes for the same market. Russia on the other hand is not that much of an economic threat. So I think he and others had made a conscious decision to help to "contain" China before it gets any worse. So this is "2003 case for Iraq war" done again. Posted by: kha | Jun 19 2021 13:43 utc | 9 A month or so ago Pat mentioned that he and Mrs L received Moderna jabs which made them feel out of sorts for awhile. A couple of weeks ago Pat apparently suffered some kind of 'episode.' I don't know the details but there was a thread in which Turcopoles expressed relief that he's recovering. I got the impression from a cryptic response from Pat in that thread that his recovery isn't complete. I'm not aware of Pat admitting he was ever mistaken. The fascinating thing about Turcopolier is that it leaves me with the impression that it's a sort of Spook Club and the regular contributors all know each other. And some of the commentators appear to know one or more of the Spook Club members. I like his swashbuckling writing style and it doesn't bother me if he occasionally writes tosh. It sort of goes with the territory if you're a swashbuckler. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 19 2021 14:06 utc | 10 Lots of supposition all the way around. But what a story! So inscrutable! So many wet dreams! I certainly hope when I pick-up at the local Chinese, and they give such a generous portion of WonTon they are grooming me for recruitment into the "communist" way of life. Because frankly, for years I tried to get on Putin's payroll, dutifully offering the best counter-narrative to Empire I could muster, but nada, zilch. Qualifications? I love Chinese Food, and admire the accomplishment of the Great Wall. Another wet dream of so many. And Bruce Lee. What's not to love? Call me maybe. Posted by: gottlieb | Jun 19 2021 14:56 utc | 11 I think the success of China's space station blastoff made another fake story attacking China necessary to kill the buzz. Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 19 2021 15:12 utc | 12 This is great investigative journalism from b. But I don't think it's correct to put this down as partisan politics. Biden has joined the anti-China effort also. And Biden's foreign policy is (mostly) Trump's foreign policy with a little spit-and-polish and pearl clutching added for effect. Isn't both the hesitancy and the nurturing of the 'lab leak' theory, as well as the partisan positioning, likely to be a Deep State psyop? In fact, isn't 'woke' vs Trumptards just kayfabe?!! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jun 19 2021 15:13 utc | 13 This is one more for the "I don't know how to read Chinese, therefore China is a totalitarian State with a history of complete secrecy and brutal censorship" Western collection. China (PRC) is one of the most transparent and open-minded States that have ever existed. I know what the CPC will do for the next five, ten, twenty and even fifty years in advance because they publish everything. I also know the reason why they want to do everything, because they open the debate in their due channels (many of which are translated to English directly from the source). The PRC is transparent because their predecessor - the RKP (B) (Bolsheviks) - were also very transparent. The history of the RSFSR/USSR from 1917-1929 is one of the most well-documented periods we have because the Bolsheviks were very honest and very open about their policy. We could fill an entire book just telling three months of Soviet History. It was just after the consolidation of Stalin to power and the Cold War that documentation ceased to reach the West. Communist parties are very transparent because they need to be. Their power, by definition, rests on the supremacy of the proletariat or the alliance between the proletariat and the peasantry, therefore every policy - no matter if it was decided from the top, by the Politburo - must be put to the discussion in some kind of conference and put to ratification by some kind of congress (even if just to be approved by acclamation). Both processes presuppose the publication of the policy in at least one official communication vehicle, which then reaches the historian. China's history - old and contemporary - and Chinese daily politics are mysterious to the West simply because Westerners don't know how to read and write in Chinese (and the few ones who do are paid to ignore and distort them). This is sold by the Western MSM as evidence China is totalitarian, but the reality is the polar opposite: China is the democratic State, the West is the totalitarian State. In History we call this evidence/archaeology bias (e.g. Roman History that survived to us essentially portrays the point of view of the Senate). Pat Lang's blog degenerated into crazy lunacy when Larry Johnson and J were given free reign. During the height of the Syrian crisis, it had many good contributions, by FB Ali and Patrick Barzhad, for example. The comments were also good at that point. But at some point in the Trump presidency the blog turned to shit. MY explanation is that the idiocy of Russiagate made Lang lose any independent thought about Trump, who was embraced uncritically. Lang couldn't even criticize Trump for his catastrophic covid failure. The political instrumentalization of BLM by the Dems and MSM also made those old white guys lose their minds and rally behind fascist currents. They turned to right wing swamp conspiracy sites for all their stuff on the election and now on China. It's embarrassing, but typical for the US right. Pat Lang also can't distinguish between the Democrats and the Left. It's another example of the intellectual demise of the US and of the rank stupidity of American conservatism, which thinks of any state action as incipient Bolshevism. Pure lunacy. What a wasted talent. My guess is that Lang could never really come to terms with the left critique of US imperialism because of his Catholicism and his role in the slaughter of Vietnam. Good riddance to that blog. It's done. Posted by: Prof | Jun 19 2021 15:56 utc | 17 zerohedge is increasingly dealing in hoaxes and stuff. but b's little google translation exercise also proves nothing, to be honest. and by the way, has Lukashenko finally released the first email b was talking about? I mean for real, not just a 'screenshot'. Has Protonmail confirmed this first email, now that it is 'in the public domain'? Posted by: S1S2 | Jun 19 2021 16:06 utc | 18 Prof @17: "Pat Lang also can't distinguish between the Democrats and the Left." In fairness, few of those who consider themselves "left" in America can tell the difference either. Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 19 2021 16:29 utc | 19 |
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