Paul Craig Roberts Interview:An Objective Look at U.S. Foreign Policy

Q. We hear a lot of terms and acronyms bandied about. ‘Deep State’ ... ‘MIC’ ... ‘FIRE sector’ ... ‘ruling elite’ ... ‘oligarchy’ ... ‘neocons’. Who actually defines and sets America’s geopolitical priorities and determines our foreign policy? Not “officially”. Not constitutionally. But de facto.

PCR: I don't know the full answer to this question, and I don't know anyone who does. We do know that foreign policy is shaped by powerful and entrenched material and ideological interests. PresidentEisenhower warned as long ago as 1961 about the influence of the military/industrial complex (today the military/security complex), and there are other powerful interests such as Wall Street and the large banks, pharmaceutical companies, oil industry, and agri-business. In brief, any organized group can further its interest through US foreign policy. These interests prevail over national interests, because there is no one to represent national interests. Presidents, senators, and representatives are indebted to the interest groups that fund their political campaigns, not to voters. The only way to stop the influence of organized economic interests over foreign policy is to take money out of politics. The Supreme Court decision in 2010 that gave corporations the right to purchase the government would have to be overturned.

The idea of American exceptionalism provides an ideological basis for US interventions in the world. This belief of liberal interventionists hardened under the neoconservatives following the Soviet collapse in 1991into a demand for American hegemony. The original draft of the Wolfowitz Doctrine states the demand forcefully. The belief that the US is indispensable and exceptional means that everyone else is unexceptional and dispensable. It is this belief that removes Washington from humane and legal constraints and gives Washington a free hand to overthrow leaders and invade countries that do not adhere to Washington's agendas.

The CIA has long used media to control the explanations, which makes it difficult to establish the facts of any event. Some commentators see powerful families pulling the strings, such as the Rothchilds, the Rockefellers, and the British monarchy, or individuals such as George Soros. The World Economic Forum is another candidate as are the Bilderbergs, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Israel Lobby, and other organizations of influential people who seek to exert influence. Little doubt these organizations exert influence, but how so many contending interests resolve into one controlling interest has not, to my knowledge, been explained. What is clear is that interest groups backed by US military and financial power and underwritten by an exceptionalist ideology are not subject to control by voting in elections. As the oligarchic rule of interest groups is too powerful to likely be dislodged from control, the only way unorganized people can escapesuch control is through failure of excessive ambition and decline.

PCR: The ideology of American hegemony puts the US at odds with countries such as Russia, China, and Iran which are sufficiently powerful or positioned to serve as constraints on American unilateralism. Tensions will remain high as long as Washington demands a uni-polar world with itself at the top.

PCR: Enemies and threats are valuable to the profits and power of the military/security complex. Moreover, in recent years with the formation of the US Department of Homeland Security, threats to national security are no longer only from abroad, but also arise internally from domestic threats such as"white supremacy" and President Donald Trump's alleged "January 6 Insurrection." Even medical doctors and medical scientists who dissented from Big Pharma's Covid protocols were labeled threats. A situation is developing in the US in which all who dissent from official narratives are regarded as "terrorists."

PCR: If the US is attacked, it is because of its aggressiveness toward others. I don't know of any such attacks. 9/11 was an obvious false flag operation. The "Muslim terrorist" threat was invented in order to justify the Middle East and North Africa invasions which were in behalf of secret agendas, not a "war on terrorism." To repeat myself, to return power to the American people, the 2010 US Supreme Court decision (Citizens United v. Federal Elections Commission), which ruled it a First Amendment right for corporations to buy the government, would have to be removed, and the liberal interventionist/neoconservative ideology of US hegemony would have to be abandoned. After watching the entrenched establishment dispose of President Trump, I do not foresee the possibility of any leader being able to rise and form a movement capable of reining in the power of special interests and repudiating the doctrine of American exceptionalism. Whoever tried would be framed in some way and shut down or eliminated.

PCR: The conclusions you list are correct. Democracy or rule by the people is no longer a respected value among the ruling elites. The World Economic Forum's "Great Reset" is prime proof of that. The WEF and the elite in general see masses of humanity as useless in the digital age. See, for example, https://www.globalresearch.ca/cult-globalism-great-reset-final-solution-useless-people/5784969, especially the 6-minute video with Israeli intellectual Yuval Noah Harari, an advisor to the WEF's Klaus Schwab. The useless people are not to be allowed to determine anything. They are to be kept on drugs and entertained by video games and interactions with holograms. Life for them will be in a virtual world. Only the appearance of awareness among the insouciant masses sparking revolution against all elites could save the peoples of the world from tyranny.

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